Searching
For the First
By Neil F. Stafford
08/29/2005 (Fifth Revision) (with Two Addenda)
27 Pages in
length
Preface: In the 10th century (Sire) Hugh de Rouen (915- 989),
the Archbishop of
Ralph I de
Toeni (abt. 925-975) was the first of his family to use the surname of Toeni;
Ralph was a Norman Knight and a cousin of William Longsword, the Duke of
People who
seriously research the history of the Stafford family, will eventually find
themselves traveling very far back in time and will probably come across the
following information on the Internet: [A
Frenchman, from Normandy named Roger "the Spaniard" de Toeni and his
wife Godeheut (Godehilde) Borrell had a son named Robert de Stafford, who was
born about the year 1030 in Leicester, England and died about 1088.]
The above
data in Italics is wrong! Unfortunately it is very
widespread across the Internet and surfaces in thousands of family genealogies. It is
completely inconsistent with recorded history; which clearly states that Robert de Stafford's original name was Robert
de Toeni. Reliable Stafford family
histories passed along for many generations consistently reported that Robert
de Toeni was in the retinue of William the Conqueror when he invaded
The root of
the above error is reflected in the fact that one can find a genealogical
report on the Internet (see page 6, Exhibit A of this article) that erroneously claims that Roger "The Spaniard" de Toeni and his wife Godeheut had
two sons named Robert! (This is just one of many examples I could
illustrate)! The erroneous genealogical
report claims one Robert was born in 1030 in
In fact there
is a superb example of a problem like this at the
See Exhibit G on Page 12 regarding the interesting Stafford ancestor Rollo Rognvaldson the
notorious Viking Pirate from
What is the source of the erroneous data about
the first Stafford being born in
In addition to his cousin, Robert de Stafford's uncle, was also named Robert de Toeni (Lord of Belvoir, 1009-August 4, 1088), It is interesting to note that Robert I de Stafford's cousin and uncle from Belvoir
both died on the same day,
August 4, 1088. With the death of both
Lords of Belvoir in 1088 the Belvoir branch of the de Toeni family
ceased to exist! (See Exhibit B on
page 7).
The following data is the
correct information regarding the first
The father of the first
(Circa. 990-1039)
Roger was descended from
Vikings, of royal Norwegian descent, i.e., from
Eystein "Glumra"
Ivarson, the Jarl (earl) of the Opplands,
Roger lived in
Roger de Toeni
and Godeheut had 6 sons: Elbert (born 1025); Elinant (born1027); Ralph
(born 1029), Gazon (born 1033, he died at the age of 1), Robert
(born 1039) and Nigel (born 1040).
Note Roger was
killed in battle during the same year that Robert was born (1039) and Roger’s
wife must have been pregnant at the time of Roger’s death in 1039 to be
exact, (May 31, 1039) because Robert’s
younger brother Nigel was born in the year 1040.
[Roger had 1 daughter:
[Roger had a brother named Robert De Toeni,
Baron of Belvoir (abt. 1009-1088).
The Baron of Belvoir had a wife named Adela Osule and a son named Robert
(1030-1088), the Baron and his son are often confused with Roger's son Robert
De Toeni].
The fact that there were 3 men all named Robert de
Toeni living in
caused significant confusion
among genealogists and “record keepers” of all kinds at that time, and to this
day. Well-respected historical sources in
(I have read that some historically critical early
de Toeni family written material was water damaged in ancient times and was
thus hard to read which probably accounts for some of the confusion concerning
the de Toeni family in historical records.
These flawed de Toeni records unfortunately continue to create errors
regarding the history of the
Roger
"the Spaniard" de Toeni was killed in
battle in 1039 along with his two eldest sons, Elbert and Elinant by the
army of Roger de Beaumont because he rebelled and protested when Robert, Duke
of Normandy's illegitimate son William was named Duke of Normandy. Roger argued that a bastard had no right to
inherit the position and title of Duke of
The bitter rebellion led by Roger de Toeni against
his young relative William the Duke, is referred to as the Norman Civil war.
The war included large battles and attempted assassinations against the young
Duke. It was a very bitter battle
between relatives for political control of
In 1066 Duke
William of
According
to the famed historian Wace, upon arrival in England with his invasion force,
Duke William called a meeting of some of his most trusted knights, among who
were his cousins, Ralph III de Toeni and Ralph's younger brothers Robert de
Toeni and Nigel de Toeni. Duke William
offered the honor of carrying the consecrated Papal banner into the battle of
[Note: the first phase of the
The
Robert I de
Stafford was given a garrison of 60 knights to serve him at the castle
(historically considered by all to be a strategically important military
site). This hastily built crude earthen
and timber castle, which served both as a fortress, and a residence was
completed in the year 1066. I claim this for two reasons; [First,] it is widely
recorded that Robert I de Stafford's son Nicholas I de Stafford was born at
(See Addendum
# 2, page 25) wherein Robert I de Stafford was still in the area and
(with the help of King William I The Conqueror) held off and defeated invading
Welshmen who had allied themselves with rebellious Staffordshire residents who
were still loyal to their former Anglo Saxon leaders.
["Shire" a legal or political
geographic English subdivision like a "County" is frequently
pronounced sheer or sure when used as a suffix to a county name. I have been told there are as many as 3
pronunciations depending on the context or meaning in which the word is used;
for example in the “Lord of The Rings” Shire rhymes with the word higher.]
In addition to
Stafford Castle, King William I the Conqueror was very generous to his loyal
cousin Robert I de Stafford, the original fief granted to Robert extended into
7 counties, holding 131 manors, and thus 131 Lordships or estates. Located in
Staffordshire, Gloucestershire, Warwickshire, etc.,
[Note Ralph III de Toeni was also well
rewarded for his loyal service, though not as generously.]
Nigel, the youngest De Toeni
brother lived temporarily with his brother Robert I at Stafford castle and
referred to himself as Nigel de Stafford, while he lived with Robert; but
changed his name to Nigel de Gresley after he moved to Derbyshire where he was
the lord of 5 Manors according to the Domesday Survey of 1086, the name Gresley
evolved to Greeley over time.
Robert I de
Stafford served as the first Sheriff of Staffordshire, his exact date of death
is not known to me at this time, but it is known that he was still alive in
1086 and counted in the remarkable 1086 Survey of England called the Domesday
survey where Robert I de Stafford was listed as a major land holder, his
brother Nigel is also shown to be a land owner in Derbyshire.
It is reported by the
prominent historian William Dugdale that Robert I de Stafford was still alive
during the reign of King Henry I, which was from the year 1100 to 1135. Robert I de Stafford founded
an Augustinian Priory at Stone in Staffordshire, upon the spot where Enysan de
Waltone had killed 2 nuns and a priest.
Robert was buried at Priory Stone, Staffordshire,
More
information regarding Robert I de Stafford's father Roger:
It is both a physical
impossibility and a political improbability that Roger would have had a son
born in
He spent about 20 years in
These endeavors proved to be
failures, all he got for his efforts, was a nickname, "The Spaniard"
which was either an empty title or a mocking insult!
Prior to the
year 1066 Duke William of
Allies to live in
Duke William
would have never sent his militaristic cousin Roger “The Spaniard” de Toeni to
Roger’s rebellion and
other irresponsible behavior with regard to his neighbors led to his death,
and the death of his two eldest sons in a battle that took place at Conches,
Normandy in the year 1039. The army of Roger de Beaumont, a very close ally of
Duke William, defeated and killed Roger. Some years earlier Roger had financed
the construction of a monastery in Conches (Roger was buried at this
monastery), In fact historians found written records regarding his sponsorship
of the monastery wherein a son attested to Roger's signature.
THE ELUSIVE
AVICE DE CLARÉ
Many genealogies on the
Internet state simply that the name of Robert I de Stafford's wife was Avice de
Claré and offer absolutely no information about her. In fact some notable historians admit that
they knew she was claimed to be Robert's wife and that they searched in vain
for her family in
Thankfully, one can now say
that at least they were honest and accurate researchers, unlike some others who created a phony Avice who was
conveniently born in
It is no wonder serious researchers could not find her
family in
She was born about the year
1050 and married Robert at the age of 14 around the year 1064 in
I assume this
marriage of Robert to Avice was carefully arranged looking to increase the
political, economic and social strength of both families Because Avice was a
direct descendent of Rollo Rognvaldson or Rollo the Ganger a.k.a. Robert the First Count or
Duke of Normandy (the 4th
Great-grandfather of William the Conqueror). She was thus a cousin of
William the Conqueror, as was her husband, Robert I de Stafford. The Claré name was derived from the historic treaty signed in the year 912 at
the
Earl Ralph de
Stafford (1301-1372) to Margaret d'Audley, thus introducing Norman English
royalty into the Stafford family in addition to the Saxon English royalty
already possessed by the Staffords at the time.
The Norman English royalty was more clearly
recognized when Baron Edmund I Stafford married Anne of
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***Note three early
***Also see
the family trees I have prepared for the following
Avice de Claré born about 1050, a direct lineal descendent of Rollo Rognvaldson
(4th Great-
grandfather of King William the Conqueror).
And thus, a cousin of William the Conqueror. Avice was also (through the wife of Rollo,
Poppa de Senlis) a direct descendent of Charlemagne, King of
Maude de Moolte (Meolte) born about 1069, a direct
lineal descendent of Harlette de Falais (King William's mother through
William's half sister Emma de Conteville).
Petronilla (Pernel) de Ferrers born about 1198, a direct
lineal descendent of Harlette de Falais (King William's mother through
William's half brother Robert the Count of Mortain de Burgo in
[Robert IV de Stafford (1220-1282) was the first
Hugh Stafford (1342-1386) was the first
See Illustrations and additional text on the
following 22 pages:
The text accompanying the illustrations is a very important component
of this article; you are strongly urged to read it, as it will help to clarify
many features of the overall research article.
Exhibit A (from the
Internet)
Roger
de Toeni shown with two sons named Robert
<!-- Rv6.02 -->
Roger "The
Spainiard" De TOENI (CONCHES) |
Godheut
(Godehilde) BORRELL |
b. Abt 0990,
<Of, |
b. Abt 0995, <Of, |
Children
Elbert De TOENI |
Notice
there is both a Robert de Stafford and a Robert de Toeni; both refer to
Robert de Toeni who later changed his name to Robert de Stafford
when he was ordered to do so by William the
Conqueror. (I underlined the two Roberts for emphasis).
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EXHIBIT B:
(from the Internet)
SHOWING
UNCLE AND COUSIN FROM BELVOIR
OF
ROBERT I DE
*Robert De Toeni
born Abt 1009 Of, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England
died 4 Aug 1088
father:
*Ralph II (Rodulf) Seigneur De Toeni
born bef 0970 Of, Tosny, France
died Aft 1015
mother:
*wife of Ralph II (Rodulf) De Toeni
born Bef 0974 Of, Tosny, France
died Aft 1015
siblings:
*Roger "The Spainiard" I De Toeni (Conches)
born Abt 0990 <Of, Tosny, France>
died: Abt 1038/1039 buried 31 May 1039 Conches, Seine-et-Marne, France
Ralph De Toeni born Abt 0992 Of, Tosny, France
spouse:
*Adela Osule
born Abt 1014 Belvoir, Leicestershire, England
children:
*Robert De Toeni born
Abt 1038 Of, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England
died Aug 1088 buried Belvoir, Leicestershire, England
biographical and/or anecdotal:
notes or source:
ancestry.com
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EXHIBIT C
MAP
PROVINCES OF
France Provinces (CONTINUED ON NEXT PAGE)
EXHIBIT D
PORTION OF
WHICH IS A POSSIBLE
ILLUSTRATION OF ROBERT DE TOENI WITH
WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR AT THE
Cut from Bayeux Tapestry
with William the Conqueror & Robert de Toeni (de Stafford) who is carrying
William's Papal Gonfanon as William's Standard-bearer, Notice that Robert is
pointing back at William, and William is raising his helmet so that his men
could see him more clearly. He did this
because his men were beginning to panic because there was a rumor circulating
that William had been killed. With the exception of William, historians
dispute who can be positively identified on the massive tapestry,
which was created years after the battle and was commissioned by Duke William's
half brother Bishop Odo to give an illustrated account of the historic
event. The illustrated story was needed
because most of the “common” people were not able to read in those days. The small cut above represents only a tiny
portion of the tapestry, which is over 70 feet long. Notice that the standard bearer is holding a
Gonfanon rather than the classical banner of
[I am well aware that
some claim others carried the Papal Gonfanon I have seen at least 3 other names,
however
the Domesday Survey clearly
notes that
Robert de Toeni (
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EXHIBIT E
GOOD CLEAR
(SIMPLE) MAP OF
This map clearly shows the
***Note: Rollo the Viking
killed Pepin de Senlis in battle at
Pepin was also known as:
Count of Berengarius or
(Poppa was then an affectionate term, which meant Little Doll)
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EXHIBIT F
MAP ILLUSTRATING PRECISE LOCATION OF
TOSNY ON THE
The entire shaded area of the above map generally depicts
the whole area of
Arrondissement of Louviers,
(District of Louviers) this entire shaded area was owned by the de Toeni
family; their home was located in the little community of Tosny (pronounced
Toeni).
Notice the little town of
Paris is just off the map,
to the southeast up stream from Giverny. (Home of the famous painter Monet.)
Note below, Photo of President
Charles De Gaulle in Tosny and aerial view of Tosny.
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EXHIBIT G
“Statue in
the glade” of Hrolf the Ganger
(Rollo)- (Robert I Duke or Count of
There are
numerous statues of Rollo located throughout
Notre Dame
Cathedral, his burial place. All
Staffords today are direct descendents of Rollo, through Avice Fitzrichard de
Claré born about
1050 in
Rollo was married to Poppa
de Senlis (Poppa was then an affectionate term which meant Little Doll)
Poppa de Senlis was a direct
descendent of Charlemagne, King of
The
inscription reads: "The father of all
Lion of Rollo,
Ruler of
Rollo
Statue in
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EXHIBIT H
STATUE OF ETHELFLEDA,
LADY OF
LOCATED AT
Ethelfleda (Aethelflaeda) "The Lady of
The little island or "staith" was first
occupied by Saint Bertelin (St. Bettelin), who built a hermitage upon it
early in the 8th century Bertelin called it the island of
Bethnei. The area of the little island
is now the location of modern day Stafford's busy
Note:
Staithford
was considered a militarily critical site because it was the only feasible
place where a large Army could safely cross
the River
Because Staithford became a fortified town it was
known as a Burh, or the Burh of Staithford, which in old Saxon English
literally meant the fortified landing-place at the water crossing. Over time residences and shops sprung up near
Bertelin’s old hermitage site and Ethelfleda's fortress on this popular
route between
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Photos:
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Exhibit J
SELF
PORTRAIT, ;-)
ETC.
Regarding exhibit i on the preceding page, the ruins
in the photos do not, of course, depict the original castle built for Robert I
de Stafford. The first stone castle, I believe was built at this location in
the 14th century by Ralph de Stafford the 1st Earl of
Stafford and a highly honored founding member of the Knights of the Garter.
·
When I mentioned that
Ethelfleda built her fortress on top of the natural hill or ridge at
Staithford, I underlined the words natural hill for a reason, for those
who don’t know, the presence of a natural hill for a fortification in the early
medieval period was considered to be a wonderful luxury. Many early
Castles were built in the following manner: first a large circular ditch was
dug and the dirt from the ditch was thrown into the center of the circle. The
hill in the center was called a Motte (rhymes with blot) and the castle or
fortress was built upon the Motte or man-made hill. The large, wide, and deep
ditch around the Motte was called a Moat (rhymes with boat). Usually a heavily fortified drawbridge across
the Moat (which was sometimes filled with water) was needed in order to gain
access to the main gate or entrance of the castle. Some historians claim that when William the
Conqueror was at
·
As a youngster in snowy
Buffalo, New York One of my favorite games was to build a huge snow pile about
12 feet high in front my home and play a game we called "King of the
Castle", the objective of course was to remain on top as playmates climbed
up and tried to push me off the top. (It
was always a good idea to have a huge supply of snowballs with you when you
were at the top! While we had no
"moats" per se, during the night it was wise to secretly pour some
water in strategic locations known only to yourself, of course, those devilish
slippery icy spots sure were helpful if you placed them well! I guess,
being a
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EXHIBIT K
ANCIENT MAP OF
ANCIENT MAP OF ENGLAND AND
NORMANDY during lifetime of King
William the Conqueror, illustrating his areas of control around the year
1080.
As you can see in the legend
above, Stafford is located just east of the area of the Palatine
Earls (refer to the map legend above) known as the Welsh
King William considered this area so critical
to the security of
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EXHIBIT L
Note the depiction of Saint
Bertelin at the top, he is the patron saint of Stafford and
Also take note of the
pretzel shaped object near the top of the shield. This is known as the
Be aware that over the
centuries The
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EXHIBITS M
The above arms of the
The fanciful legend is that three
convicted felons who had committed a crime together were due to be executed in
CREST: Issuant out of a
Mural Crown proper a
SUPPORTERS: On the dexter
side a Lion reguardant Gules crowned with a Ducal Coronet Or and on the
sinister side a Gryphon reguardant Or. The red chevron on gold is from the arms
of the De Stafford family, and the knot is their badge.
The crest combines a mural
crown, symbol of civic government, and the
The supporters are also
Above is a Stafford family Pennant, note the
Stafford knots, The Swan acknowledges their origins from the Toeni family of
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Depiction of a
Image
of Earl Ralph de Stafford (1301-1372) Note the red chevrons on gold
Buckingham Crest Plantagenet Crest with Rollo
lions& French fleur-de-lis
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PARTING
OBSERVATIONS: (Primarily from my original article)
When engaging in
genealogical research on the Internet, It is wise to study historical records
of as many kinds as you can. Realize that absolutely anyone (including
the town clown) can upload family data to the Internet, even to well known
information sources such as Ancestry.Com and Info provided by "Family Tree
Maker " users and even a source such as that provided by the Latter Day
Saints search engine and even commercially made CD ROMS that promise to provide
scads of family data!
As Ronald
Reagan used to say, "Trust but verify!" Over the years, I
have uncovered and corrected several errors in the historic
(Obviously, I have had to admit to having
made errors and found the need to correct them and the need for additional study to clarify my facts; note
that this is the Fifth Revision of my original article with Two Addenda!) Each new tiny bit
of correct data offers a clue that can open up fascinating areas for further
research. For example, learning a
castle name or famous battle name or location may give you a clue to pursue yet
more information regarding the family you are researching, I even found the
real estate records for a house owned by William Stafford and Mary Boleyn,
almost by accident because I was pursuing a clue of a totally unrelated area of
interest! Searching the family histories of Stafford spouses has opened up
terrific windows into the lives of historic
That is the purpose and
spirit of this web site! (www.johnstafford.org) Larry Stafford is
the Webmaster of the site.
One of the key
questions that occurred to me while studying
Research on
Robert I de Stafford's ancestry proved fruitful; it revealed Scandinavian Royal
pedigree, which proved that Robert was a cousin of William the Conqueror. And, Robert also possessed pedigree of
Spanish nobility through his mother.
Through research concerning the Battle of Hastings, I learned that
Robert upheld his family's ancestral tradition of serving as the Duke of Normandy's
Standard-bearer, an honored function that should have been served by Robert's
older brother Ralph, but Ralph declined the honor and Duke William gave his
consecrated Papal Gonfanon to Robert to carry into battle. The fact that Robert served as the Duke's
Standard Bearer at the
Research on
Avice de Claré's ancestry proved to be a
gold mine of data! Research revealed
that like her husband Robert, Avice was also a cousin of William the conqueror,
and much more, she was a direct descendent of Charlemagne the King of France
and thus her pedigree clearly traced back to the Emperors of Rome, and the
royal families of numerous European nations (and Middle Eastern nations such as
Persia, Israel, Egypt, etc., through her mother, Rohese Giffard).
The combined
pedigrees of Robert I de Stafford and his wife Avice were extremely strong and
significant to William the Conqueror. It
is interesting to note that any son born to Robert I de Stafford and his wife
Avice would have essentially the same royal pedigree as a son born to William
the Conqueror and his wife! William
needed to insure for both political and financial reasons that Robert and he
remain good friends, William needed Robert's friendship and support and above
all his loyalty to safely maintain the legitimacy of his claim to the English
throne. This helps to explain why
William the Conqueror was so generous to young Robert I de Stafford. The fact that Robert was related to
William the Conqueror helps but does not adequately or totally explain the
generous grant of land, wealth and power given to Robert. Robert's older brother Ralph was also given
an attractive fief, but not even remotely comparable to the huge fief given to
Robert. Also note that in later
years Robert’s younger brother Nigel was given merely a modest fief.
William was
haunted by the fact that he was born illegitimate and spent much of his young
life trying to win the friendship, support and loyalty of those around him in
getting them to recognize his "Ducal" authority. He did this by
showing respect to the ancestral rights of others. This is why he offered the honor of carrying
the consecrated Papal Gonfanon into battle to Robert de Toeni as his ancestral
right in spite of the fact that Robert's father Roger "the Spaniard"
de Toeni had been one of William's worst enemies in Normandy and had led an
armed rebellion against William denying that William had any right to the title
and position as Duke of Normandy, which certainly negated any claim he might
make to the throne of England! When
Robert accepted the honor, it was an acknowledgement on his part that he
recognized the ducal authority of William, This was of monumental
importance to Duke William. It ended decades of strife for William. This act of loyalty and support was certainly
not lost in the minds of the numerous other knights who witnessed it. This action of William and Robert effectively
ended the issue among
As Duke William handed the Papal Gonfanon to young Robert de Toeni
(later known as Robert I de Stafford) and as Robert gripped it in his hands and
raised it aloft to signify his recognition of Duke William’s authority, the
Norman Civil War officially ended at that historic moment!
It was both
financially and politically shrewd of William to lavishly reward Robert I de
Toeni and to have this reward cemented in time by ordering him to bear the new
family name of Stafford to signify that a whole new era was beginning and that
Robert would be prominent within it. Financially, letting a cousin have control
over the huge area of land granted to Robert de Stafford, was a means of
"keeping the wealth in the family."
I have read that all of the adult de Toeni children of Roger “the
Spaniard” de Toeni Conches and Godeheut (Godehilde) Borrell were “COMPELLED” to marry spouses who also had indisputable
Pedigrees of Nobility. This is how
control, power and wealth were kept firmly in the hands of the few for generations
that spread back over hundreds of years, indeed, over thousands of traceable
years!
Noted above is
the fact that three of the earliest spouses of the Staffords were relatives of
William the Conqueror. (Avice
Fitzrichard de Claré, Maud de Moolte (Meolte),
and Petronilla (Pernel) de Ferrers.)
Most marriages among the nobility in those days were either directly
arranged by or subject to the approval of the reigning king. Note that King
William's sons and successors purposely kept the Staffords close to and loyal
to the throne. With each marriage the
wealth and political power of the
Within just a
few more generations the Staffords were not just cousins of the Norman Kings,
but direct descendents of them through the marriage of Earl Ralph de Stafford
to Margaret d'Audley, a direct descendent of William the Conqueror, again,
within a couple generations more King Edward III’s son Prince John of Gaunt
(acting on behalf of King Richard II) was so desperate to tap into the wealth
and power of the Stafford family to strengthen Richard’s throne, that he
coerced His niece Anne (Plantagenet) of Woodstock (1383-1438) to marry two of Edmund I
Stafford's sons! First, at the age of 7 she was married to Thomas de Stafford in the
year 1390, but he died just two years later (the marriage was never
Consummated)
Later, on June
28, 1398 at the age of 15 she (by special license) married Thomas's brother Edmund
II Stafford (1377-1403). Prince John
of Gaunt acting on behalf of his brother King Richard II tried to
strengthen the monarchy by more closely aligning it with the rich and powerful
In 1402 Edmund and Anne’s son Humphrey I
MORE COMMENTS ABOUT THE
William the Conqueror ordered
that a castle be built on the same hilltop at
It is
interesting to note that old habits die hard: In spite of the fact that Duke
William the Conqueror’s followers were building Stafford castle on top of a
very large natural hilltop, out of habit they dug a large moat and created a
large man made mound or Motte on top of the large natural hill or ridge at
Stafford. In later years, the castle was
surrounded by a large wooden stockade, thus making the later
An
interesting footnote of the times is that when
Ethelfleda built the fortress at Stafford, her father the Saxon King known as
Alfred the Great gave ownership of land to peasants who agreed to live there and defend the area against invading Danish Vikings It was a
very inexpensive way for King Alfred to raise an army of ferociously loyal
soldiers. In those times it was highly
unusual for commoners to own land, that was a privilege usually reserved
solely for nobility and the ruling classes.
(Whether this ever happened in other areas of
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For
those who ask me who is my source for the information that Robert I de Stafford
was originally named Robert de Toeni and that he was born in Normandy, France;
My reply is that I presume that Robert I de Stafford is my source! One of my prime historical sources for the
information is the Domesday Survey ordered by King William the Conqueror. Most Historians recognize the Domesday Survey to be the most
authoritative source of reliable historical facts regarding medieval England. When the King’s surveyors asked for
information regarding Robert I de Stafford’s properties I presume that rather
than have his stable hands or cook give his personal family information that
Robert himself provided the information.
The references to Robert I de Stafford throughout the Domesday Survey
regardless of which Shire is being cited are all consistently the same. The
Derbyshire portion of the Doomsday Survey points out that Robert’s younger
brother Nigel de Toeni, who temporarily called himself Nigel de Stafford while
he lived with Robert; but changed it to Nigel de Gresley after he moved to
Derbyshire. (The name Gresley evolved
to
Further, regarding information about Robert I de Stafford contained in the Domesday Survey It is interesting to note the great leap in wealth achieved by Robert in the mere 20 years from 1066 to 1086;
His original fief from William the Conqueror was 131 Lordships in 1066 However in 1086 the Domesday Survey reports that and I quote, “This Robert held no less than one hundred and fifty lordships at the time of Domesday, of which more than half lay in Staffordshire, including Norton-in-the-moors, Chell, Madeley, Burslem, Hulton, and Rushton, in this immediate neighbourhood. The Domesday Survey repeatedly reports that Robert with his brother Nigel, came into England with the Conqueror, whose kinsmen they were, and he liberally rewarded both out of the spoils of the English proprietors.” I realize others claim the castle was built a few years later but the above dates reflect my interpretation of the data. (See Addendum # Two)
Note the net gain of 19
lordships in 20 years!
Also note the affirmation that Robert was a kinsman of the Conqueror and that he came into England with the Conqueror, other references in the Domesday Book clearly state that Robert was from Normandy, France and not born and bred in England as numerous family trees on the Internet wrongly claim.
In later years, it has been
estimated by an Economist/Historian that when Earl Ralph de Stafford
(1301-1372) kidnapped and married Margaret d’Audley the wealth he obtained
through the inheritance of her father’s estate in today’s values, was
equivalent to obtaining in today’s terms the value of one third of the State of
It is interesting
to note that most of our traditional Stafford family histories point out that
young Robert I de Stafford was in the entourage of William the Conqueror when
he invaded
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Important Correction
It
is also interesting to note that while viewing a program on television recently
having to do with the history of the development of the English
language**. The program briefly
mentioned the Domesday Survey and flashed the name of Robert de Toeni and they
pronounced the name of the de Clare family as de Claré note the mark over the final e this means
that the last vowel of the name rhymes with bay or say thus the proper spelling
of the wife of Robert I de Stafford is Avice de Claré. Her name is pronounced
Clare-ray.
**[Regarding the development
of the English language, I would dearly love to have the opportunity to visit
Just kidding, why
do they drop out or lose the second “W” in
The Rain in
(Continued on the next page)
Approx. Dates |
By Neil F. Stafford
02/22/2003 |
Background Data, Etc. |
SPOUSE |
742-813 |
Charlemagne (Charles the Great)Birth: April 2, 742 in Ingelheim, Rheinhessen, Death: 28 January 28, 813 Interred: |
King of Holy Roman Emperor |
Name Unknown
(A concubine) |
778-840 |
Louis I (The Pious) , King
of |
|
Judith Von (804-843) Daughter of: Hedwig Von Sachsau |
823-877 |
Charles II (The Bald),
King of |
|
Ermentrude De Orleans |
844-870 |
Judith , Princess of the
Franks |
|
Baudouin (Baldwin) I ,
Count of |
865- |
Widnille (Guinidilda) Countess of Born in Flanders |
|
Wilfred I "el
Velloso" (The Hairy) Count of Urgel
born 840 Of Urgel, Died: Aug. 21, 897 |
878-948 |
Sunifred, Count of Besalu
& Urgel Born in Urgel, |
|
Richilde de Rouergue |
946-992 |
Borrell (Borelo) II, Count
of |
|
Luitgarde de Toulouse |
972-1017 |
Raimund (Raymond) Borrell
III Berenger, Count of |
|
Ermensinde de Carcassonne |
995-1077 |
Godheut (Godehilde)
Borrell
|
(Following the death of
Roger Godheut married Richard the Count of |
Roger “the Spaniard” Toeni Conches Standard Bearer of |
1039-1100 |
Robert I De Stafford
a.k.a. Robert de Toeni Born in Robert was in the retinue
of William the Conqueror during the invasion of He was still alive during
the reign of King Henry I, Thus Robert lived at least to the year 1100. (1039-1100+) |
Both Robert and Avice were
descendents of Charlemagne and Roman Emperors; They had royal roots
from every nation in Europe; both were cousins of King William the
Conqueror of Also they both clearly
descended from Scandinavian Royal families. Note also: Through her mother (Rohese Giffard) Avice was also a descendent
of Egyptian Pharaohs, Persian Emperors as well as prominent Jewish Kings and
ancient Biblical personalities! I am currently working on
highly structured Genealogical tables to document these facts. |
Avice Fitzrichard
de Claré
Born: abt 1050 in Married: abt 1064 in Daughter of: Richard FitzGilbert de
Claré and Rohese Giffard |
(Continued on the next page)
(Conquer, Fortify, Govern
and Grow)!
The above statement in parentheses, is an apt
description of the central command strategy of King William I the Conqueror
As he marched through England conquering it territory by territory, he
established control by building a series of castles along the way; each castle
was located approximately a one-day march from the other so that they could
mutually support one another. One such castle was
I have noticed over the years that
written articles associated with Staffordshire regarding the year that Stafford
castle was first built, are usually very vague on the subject, however one
of them tends to be a bit specific basically saying that Stafford castle was
built by Robert de Stafford shortly after the Battle of Stafford in 1069 in
which now King William I**returned to Stafford with his young cousin Robert I
de Toeni to suppress a rebellion at Stafford. May I respectfully ask who or what were the
people of Staffordshire rebelling against If not Robert I de Stafford? Were they just fighting amongst themselves? (No
mention is made of the invading Welshmen who aligned themselves with the
embittered Staffordshire residents.) Who
were the hated
**Note
Duke William was crowned King of
****Note:
Recall that the structure we are calling a “castle” was not a fancy edifice
such as
Please review the next page; it is a one page summary
index of my personal
**** On the next page, Note:
Two Females carried on the Stafford Family Bloodline without the loss of the
famous
(Continued on the next page)
Approx. Dates |
(Revised on 07/09/2005) |
Background Data, Etc. |
SPOUSE |
||||||||
675-760 |
Sveidi (Sveithi)
Svidrasson |
A.k.a. The "Sea
King" (a Viking) |
Mrs. Sveidi Svidrasson |
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725-800 |
Halfdan "the
Aged" Sveidasson |
Earl of Orkney |
Mrs. Halfdan Sveidasson |
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770-820 |
Ivar
"Oplaendinge" Halfdansson |
Earl of the Uplands, ( |
Eysteinsdatter |
||||||||
810-894 |
Eystein "Glumra"
Ivarsson |
The "Noisy Earl"
of the Uplands |
Ascrida Ragnvaldsdatter |
||||||||
855-911 |
Malahule (Haldrick)
(Tresney Eysteinsson |
Earl of More and |
Unknown |
||||||||
890-962 |
Hugh de Cavalcamp |
Founder of the
de Tosny family
|
Mrs. Hugh de Cavalcamp |
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925-975 |
Ralph I (Rodulf) de Toeni |
(Tosny also spelled Toeni) |
Unknown |
||||||||
970-1018 |
Ralph II (Rodulf) de Toeni |
(A Norman Knight) |
Unknown |
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990-1039 |
Roger “the Spaniard"
Toeni Conches |
Hereditary Standard Bearer of |
Godeheut (Godehilde)
Borrell (Spanish Royalty) |
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1039-1100+ |
Robert I de Stafford A.k.a. Robert de Toeni (The first |
Both Born in Descendents of Emperor Charlemagne and Cousins of King William the Conqueror |
Avice
Fitzrichard de Claré
Amazing Pedigree traceable
for thousands of years! |
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1066-1137 |
Nicholas I de Stafford |
Sheriff of Staffordshire |
Maud de Moolte (Meolte) |
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1101-1178 |
Robert II de Stafford |
(Son Robert III died in
the Crusades) |
Avice Unknown |
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1155-1225 |
Millicent de
Stafford****
|
(Bagot legally changed
name to |
Hervy Bagot ( |
||||||||
1194-1237 |
Hervy de Stafford
|
Pernel was a
descendent of the
Saxon/English King Alfred the Great |
Petronilla (Pernel) de
Ferrers |
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1220-1282 |
Robert IV de Stafford |
Was in the wars of Gascony |
Alice Corbet |
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1246-1287 |
Nicholas II Stafford |
Died in siege of |
Alionore (Eleanor) |
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1272-1308 |
Edmund I |
Baron and 1st
Lord Stafford |
Margaret Basset |
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1301-1372 |
Ralph de Stafford |
2nd Baron and 1st
Earl of He built the 1st
stone Stafford Castle |
Margaret d'Audley (trace to Norman
royalty) |
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1342-1386 |
Hugh Stafford |
1st |
Phillipa Beauchamp |
||||||||
1377-1403 |
Edmund II |
5th Earl of Anne grand daughter of
king Edward III |
Anne of |
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1402-1460 |
Humphrey I |
1st Duke of Buckingham |
Anne Neville |
||||||||
1424-1458 |
Humphrey II Stafford |
7th Earl of |
Margaret Beaufort |
||||||||
1454-1483 |
Henry Stafford |
2nd Duke of Buckingham |
Katherine Woodville |
||||||||
1478-1521 |
Edward Stafford |
3rd Duke of Buckingham |
Alionore (Eleanor) Percy |
||||||||
1501-1563 |
Henry Stafford (1st Baron) |
Had 13 children (was 10th
Baron Stafford) |
Ursula Pole |
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1526-1604 |
Lady Dorothy
Stafford****
|
(Cousins)-name remained |
Sir William Stafford |
||||||||
1554-1612 |
William Stafford Sr. |
Born: Grafton, |
Anne Gryme |
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1594-1684 |
William Stafford Jr. |
Born: Antingham, |
Ursula Moore |
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1625-1705 |
John Stafford Sr. |
Born: Thornbury, |
Unknown |
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1660-? |
John Stafford Jr. |
|
Elizabeth Shropshire |
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1686-? |
Thomas Stafford |
Born: Stafford, |
Ann Handley |
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1712-1790 |
John Stafford |
Migrated from
|
Margaret Brunt |
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1742-1772 |
Thomas Stafford |
Both Born & died in N. Ireland
|
Barbara Irwin |
||||||||
? -?
|
John Stafford |
Both Born & died in N. Ireland
|
Anne Carr (Kerr) |
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1822-? |
John Stafford |
Migrated to
|
Elizabeth (Bessie)
Rutledge |
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1853-1919 |
John Robert Stafford |
Both Canadians
|
Sarah Linton |
||||||||
1887-1977 |
Elmer James Stafford (EJ) Born & died in
Ontario, Canada |
Founder of |
Helen Acquard Cobleigh Born and died in USA |
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1913-1994 |
Cornelius Everett |
Both born – |
Mary C. Stuhlmiller |
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1939- |
Cornelius Frank |
Both born – |
Geraldine Marie Bauer |
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1969- |
Neil
Armstrong
|
(3 children born in Elli Anne Lily Margaret Adam Sam |
Lisa Tucker B.6/07/1971 Born: |
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QUICK REFERENCE SHEET: (From
Sveidi Svidrasson to Adam Stafford)
[41 GENERATIONS ON 1 PAGE, SPANNING 1, 329
YEARS] Prepared by Neil F. Stafford
on 07/09/2005]